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community does not vote as a complete bloc, so they weren't going to vote. they're not going to vote simply for a black candidates like brawn, and i think carol brawn is voicing the chagrin and frustration of somebody who is up against a better financed better organized person named rahm emanuel, who is now hauled out after bringing in jennifer head son. andy sandberg is friday. the band wilco is coming up. the man who the latest gallup poll says is the most admired male by americans. that's tough to handle. tonight or telephone survey i asked, do you think the effort to repeal health care is a political stunt. 7% said no. sticking to her guns. let's play "hardball."
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good evening. i'm crist matthews in washington, leading off tonight, bloodless. in her first interview since that disastrous facebook video, she went to the comfy confines of fox news and offered nothing. and no regrets for the term "blood libel." she want they can't make us sit down and shut up, they being the offstage posse she totes around with her for rebuke. also you heard it here first on "hardball." we warned about the loose talk about guns and hatred directed toward public officials. we, like gaby giffords herself, were being preemptive. we'll show you what was said, and remind ought in jared loughner didn't connect the dots between hateful rhetoric and a
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politici politician, who's so sure someone else won't? plus second chances. how republicans are fixated on health care and not jobs. they're devoting control of the house, which they now have with a symbolic vote. this gives the democrats a second chance to sell het care themselves. and sargent shriver, who died at the age of 95. i have lots to say about this amazing, one of the man.
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you understand better than i do from this distance all the way from alaska sometimes she's hard to fathom, she can see alaska, i'm sorry she can see russia we can't see her clearly. what's this term blood libel. strange use of a language. she chose to use it. hid for a week. popped up on the comfortable fox news where she works last night. and sort of explained it but i don't know what to make of her. why does she use phrases she's not familiar with and a week later say she's familiar with them and only talk about it with someone who is basically her colleague? >> right. well, i mean, she did go on fox news. sean is one of her colleagues. it was a safe confines. what was interesting what you pointed out when you talk about blood libel in that interview she said nobody asked her if she knew what it meant. >> who would have asked her? she's in an igloo up there somewhere. who would have asked her? she's not answering any questions.
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what does it mean to say nobody has asked me if you don't let anybody near you? >> it's hard to figure it out. really, at this point everyone knew what she meant by that. everyone knew what she meant by that. >> it's a rebuke of someone else. you asked her a question she attacks they offstage people. somebody who didn't get around the asking her as if she was being interviewed at length. here she is, david. here's sarah palin, i can't call it an interview in a meeting among colleagues on fox news. here she is on sean last night responding to the broad criticism of her for the use of that term. let's listen. >> don't know how the heck they would know whether i did know or didn't know the term blood libel. nobody ever asked me. blood libel, obviously, means being falsely accused of having blood on your hands. in this case that's exactly what was going on. >> you know they used to say about barry goldwater i shouldn't have to wait on friday to find out what he meant on
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tuesday. why didn't she tweet an explanation of the term when it came into question? >> or sean hannity could have said, okay, governor, did you know at the time what it mend? what did you think it meant? he didn't take the opportunity. sarah palin had a great opportunity yet again to speak beyond her base and says you know, sean, i used the term, i think it fits. i understand why some people think it's over the top and as john mccain wrote in that wonderful op-ed piece about dialing back her rhetoric i'm happy to do my part and i hope the people who attack me are happy to do theirs. she can never seem to rise above the self-victimization. she's always the target of everything. pardoned pun. even if she's right -- >> grievance is her number. >> i think she's trying to mirror the resentment that her
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base feels. >> let's talk about this. here she is last night using the phrase she last night. >> will continue to speak out. they are not going shut me up. they are not going to shut you up or rush or tea party patriots or those who i say respectfully and patriotically petition their government for change. they can't make us sit down and shut up and if they ever were to succeed in doing that then our republic will be destroyed. ujtsds. >> well, there she gets into that weird staccato our republic will be destroyed. in other words, if we don't hear from mark levin, excuse me, sean hannity and her the republic will be destroyed. nobody has told them to shut up. people said stop talking about guns and raising the heat level about guns and your hatred of elected officials because somebody is going connect those two issues, guns and how much
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they hate a politician. we know one guy did, no evidence he was politically inspired but we know he shot a politician, we know he shot a lot of other people at a political event and we know what else? he used a gun. i'm sorry. it's related. does she see the connection between guns? political hatred and targeting politicians like she did in her tv thing with the cross-hairs on it and talking about reloading and bull's eyes? does she see the connection between that and reality? >> i think that everything that's happened since tucson and people at first going after her and saying that she was connected to it, she felt so under attack and that's why you see these series of really mistakes where as david said she had the opportunity to say hey, you know, i have nothing to do with this, the right-wing has nothing to do with this. it's a good time for us as a country to come together and say
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hey this language doesn't work. i'm sorry for that cross-hairs map. i'm sorry for using language i have in the past. that didn't happen. this is another opportunity where she could have really appealed to more people and she's not done that. i'm somebody who has always thought that she wants to run for president, she's planning to run for president but more of these moves i'm just not sure at this point. i've always said that. >> do you think it's possible that she's given up on being a legitimate candidate? obviously she would be legitimate. but a mainstream possibility instead decides she will be something like buffalo bill in a wild west show, she will be the country lady, mama grizzly. put on a national show which could be very lucrative for her and successful and entertaining and on occasion useful but never really try to get 51% of the country. do you think she might say i rather have my 10% that loves me if the 90 don't like me -- do you think she might be going that way? just your thought on that. >> i've always said no i thought
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she wanted to run for president but the moves in the last few days make me question that. make me think she does want to be a talking head and play to her fervent passionate supporters no matter what she says they love her. she has had opportunities to talk to more americans and appeal to more americans, and she's decided against that. >> this tragedy was ready-made for her to take a step even if just inches beyond her base. she could have said anything. anything that shoshana or i suggested or anything of her own. i tend to think -- what's her strategy? what's her game? what's her aim? >> guns. she has to keep talking about guns. >> maybe she's just speaking from the heart. maybe the most important thing to sarah palin is she feels under attack and has to express herself which is not necessarily
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a good way to reach out or win the presidency but it does -- >> to make your points she didn't include herself with elected officials or john mccain or people that ran for president before. she included in her group rush limbaugh who is pretty far to the right, mark levin who is further to the right. sean is hard to tell. somewhere in the middle there. she's identified with the most far right in some cases i think all those cases except for sean, she's identified with the most right-wing people on the air. >> these are the leaders of the republican or conservative movement. >> we're not going shut up. >> she said we're not going let them shut us up. >> who is us now? shoshana, is she the circle wagon? the mama grizzly with the wagon train circled now, and in the circle. are mark levin, rush limbaugh, sean hannity and her not the republican party? >> that's what you're seeing in that interview yesterday.
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before that i would have said that she's running for president. i still believe that. but she is ignoring ways for her to appeal to the rest of the country. i thought her tv show made her more appealing to the rest of the country. in these moves and decisions that she's behind, it's not like people are pulling the wires. she's making the decisions here. she's not appealing to a broader part of the country a broader part of the electorate. her supporters will say she should defend herself, she's been linked to this crime where there's no link. she has to defend herself, but could have gone about it in a different way to make her more appealing to the country. >> it seems all she cares about is planet palin. which is a large, you know, size asteroid body. >> i hate to use the word "patriot" used inclusively. it means that other people -- well -- >> i was just saying she's not thinking beyond her own horizons which is not good for any politician.
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but it works well if you're trying to raise a lot of money from a small group. >> this strategy of going on sean hannity and talking to her colleague under comfortable conditions and taking a whole week to respond to a firestorm she started is not the usual kind of campaigning we're used to. i'm with you, shoshana, i don't think she's running for president. i think she's running for mama grizzly and getting there. >> i didn't believe that before. >> i think she wants to be mama grizzly. she wants to be buffalo bill with the wild west show 21st century version. thank you, david corn. nothing wrong with that except for the gun talk. thank you for joining us. coming up just because there's no evidence that the gunman in the tucson shooting was motivated by anti-government rhetoric diagnose although, who knows -- is hardly a go-ahead to keep talking that way for some people because there's a very real fear that someone will act on the words he or she hears. we're going to go back before last weekend's massacre with you folks watching to a lot of the people who said way before the tucson horror it was coming this extreme talk was dangerous and sooner or later would ignite a problem. we don't know any connections. by the way,
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welcome back to "hardball." violent language and gun talk dominated the last couple of years in politics and well before that rampage in tucson we've been warning here about the consequences of such rhetoric. here's just a sampling of how we sounded the alarm bells on "hardball" way before tucson.
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let's listen. >> they are using violent language. they are speaking to the lowest common denominator. >> it's very dangerous, very sobering and people should be denouncing this. >> they are justifying violence. >> what disturbs me a little bit about watching sharron angle is her careless rhetoric. >> sarah palin, glenn beck their rhetoric is dangerous. >> very dangerous. >> very incendiary. >> they just say what's on their mind, very careless use of language. >> they are not speaking to the, you know, reasonable tea partier. >> we're on a bit of a red alert. >> discrediting our american system and threatening that we might need remedies. >> so this isn't new warnings. nbc's joe scarborough wrote just because the dots between violent rhetoric and violent actions don't connect in the tucson case doesn't mean you can afford to ignore the possibility or
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inevitability. why won't rep leaders call out this violent and hate talk? eroll lewis of course is host at new york one. gentlemen, this violent language from the right, this constant reference to guns, this hatred of elected officials, now michael kingsly said no, he just challenged those, he said there is no connection to tucson. he said constantly saying gold standard, constantly attacking government officials, constantly saying the other, the enemy, constantly talking about guns, this guy may have mental problems. you can tell that, i suppose in this environment are we safe to not see a possible connection in someone else's mind between the words and the possible violent action? brian? >> look, i think we shouldn't hang our argument on whether one
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particular deranged person responded to this plethora of violent calls. we had this guy in pittsburgh who murdered three police officers. we had numerous plots revolving around president obama. we know that this kind of rhetoric, whether it affected loughner, is not healthy. there are three things that are going on here. one, we have a real demonization now of political rivals, democratic institutions and processes. we have exhortations and bizarre conspiracy theories embraced. i'm saying while the odds of affecting this particular guy are pretty low, probably not, because he had contact with the congresswoman in 2007 and found her to be phoney. kind of like a mark david chapman thing, that doesn't mean we should necessarily say that this is just, just a green light because there are a multitude of unstable people who are fanatic
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who this will set a validating foundation for and one of the things we know about hatred and prejudice and aggression is that they are printed circuits of stereotypes in the atmospheric ether of society and this kind of language defines who is an appropriate targets for aggression. might not have done it in this case but certainly in others. >> eroll, why do you thing that all this talk that we've done on this program, not that we're that empowered but certainly we showed an example of that, the montage that all the regular guests have pointed out the danger of violent talk, connecting guns to action, guns to politic, the hatred level, the whole thing we're all used to, the kind of bandwagon of new kind of politics. why does the right defend it? every day, every hour since the horror in tucson, they defended rhetoric. why don't they just say, both sides are guilty we should stop talking like this. >> apparently it works for them.
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the talk show hosts you referred to earlier in this show these are people who have multimillion dollar contracts. they have enormous audiences. they profit by giving speeches. they build power this way. if you have your choice, the average listener, not somebody who is crazy but an average listener who is committed to a particular point of view, somebody who says well, the other side is not so good, the other side needs beaten at the election that's pretty good. somebody says they need to be destroyed, they need to be defeated and finds these flowery ways of saying how evil the other side is, it's much more compelling radio, much more compelling television and it works. and that's the real irresponsibility because the folks who take the paychecks and cash them and walk away and then say oh, i had no idea anything like this could possibly happen don't blame me for it they are being disingenuous, i think. >> don't want to say down and
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outer. but sometimes it's appropriate, and brian, you're the expert on this. i listened to savage for a while. when i went home, i used to listen, and he was so angry, i became enthralled by him. his hatred level of people -- anybody who disagrees with him or anybody who is a victim he would trash them as victims. people with the wrong ethnic background he would trash them. even his own ethnic background. the self-hatred. everything else involved, i was enthralled. after a while i was so miserable. i would rather listen to's 60s music, turn on my favorite station, listen to the '60s because i'm tired of feeling miserable. is it true that people are really down and out, who are really miserable and angry do want to hear somebody that's miserable? that misery loves company. that's why they listen to mark levin, and savage and those guys, because they are down and out? they love a miserable character to share time with.
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is that what's going on here? >> savage is a miserable character. what's irresponsible what he does he points out particular ethnic groups and immigrants and frames everything as if it's a ward. your show, you don't call it a war, you call it hardball. >> it's a sport sometimes because it is. >> that's right, it's a support. one of the things from your experience and i think this is important, and the people read your book like i did, you served as a cop at the capitol and you knew about respect for the institution and processes of democracy and one of the things that i think is so loathsome about what's going on here is not that there's a position. what we're talking about here are characters who are the merchants of hate who make their living not looking for solutions but who make it on destruction and demonizing folks. by the way, we see this on the left. there are horrible pictures of john mccain and sarah palin hung in effigy in west hollywood, and we're not going to excuse that when it becomes an industry a
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decisive industry that focuses on violence, what do you expect with certain unstable people that are out there already and angry. this validates how they feel. >> thanks for the opportunity to say the capitol police are wonderful. a lot of those men and women that have already served their country in the military. they come back and work for the capitol. they will die for that building. they are totally patriotic people. they are the real patriots. they want to defend our institutions not attack them. thank you. up next republicans blasted democrats for focusing on health care and not jobs. guess what? they are focusing on health care and how to destroy the bill. they won't get rid of it, but it's apparently fun pushing a phoney repeal of health care that's not going anywhere but pass time doing it. a bit of a french revolution going on tomorrow on capitol hill. giving democrats a better opportunity to make a better sale than when they pushed the thing through. you're watching "hardball" only
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if you like the efficiency of the post office, the confidence of fema and the compassion of the irs we will love the nationalized health care bill. >> on january 2nd of this year, because we passed the affordable health care act, tucker's father brett was able to change jobs because he no longer had to worry about the stigma of pre-existing conditions. welcome back to "hardball." house members you are just watching began debate on the repeal of the health care bill. democrats get a second chance to sell the virtues of the bill, if you will and the republicans get to try to at least emotionally to kill it. the question what are they gaining from this effort. freshman georgia congressman bob woodal wants health care repealed. congressman andrews from new jersey supports the bill.
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i'm going to give mr. woodal the first chance since he came to the studio and i like people to come to the studio. what will you gain if you kill this bill in the house knowing it's going to stay on the law books? >> for me it's about promise made and promise kept. the big surprise is we're keeping promise. i talked about this for nine months. we can't get rid of it because we don't have enough votes in the senate and we don't have the white house. you need to keep your promises. >> how is america better for this debate? >> we're having the debate. >> why is that good for america? >> i sat through 12 hours on rules committee. time after time folks came before the committee repeal it all except for this one standalone provision or this one. we should have brought this entire bill to the floor last year one standalone provision at the time. if they had done that, if we were able to have a real debate on each provision we wouldn't be able to repeal it today. >> is it possible, mr. andrews,
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to improve this bill? in other words, republicans say they can deal with the pre-existing conditions issue, they can allow people to be carried on their parents' insurance policies through their early 20s, achieve many goals of the democratic bill that was passed and signed by the president without all the bureaucracy and all the costs. is that possible or do you lose it all if you kill parts of it? >> they say they want to do all those things, repeal them. i would ask my new friend from georgia how do you avoid a massive premium increase on insured people if you cover pre-existing conditions and don't add a lot of new people to the insurance pool. how do you do that? >> well, you're exactly right, rob. >> how do you do it? >> that it requires the unconstitutional mandate for this whole house of cards. >> what do you want to do? >> i know the speech. >> it's not a speech. let's be honest. republicans get a bad rap for
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not doing this on the republicans' watch. republicans did exactly this in 1996 with the hppa bill, we tackled pre-existing conditions. we were principled enough to -- >> how do you get insurance companies to cover people without getting a lot of good risks young healthy people to join insurance programs. >> we did that. how do you do that is it >> at the federal level what we said you need to go through a waiting period and need skin in the game. if you sign up in any plan and don't let that plan drop you'll never be excluded based on pre-exists conditions. >> did it work? did people in georgia tell you when they have cancer or diabetes it works just fine and they don't get discriminated against because they have a preexisting condition? did it work? >> that's exactly right. what you're talking about and i understand -- it worked perfectly for those erisa plans. absolutely it did. it was great. you got to give us credit. >> just to follow can a georgian watching television right now get insured if they have cancer? can they get insured if they
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have diabetes? can they get a decent policy at a decent price if they had those problems? >> not just in america. any american on an erisa plan is completely eliminated from any pre-existing conditions, statutes as long as they have been covered in the past, as long as they didn't let their coverage lapse. as rob said, you have to have skin in the game. >> but that's what a preexisting condition is. if you don't have policy you have to buy one. >> i can ask you this. >> can i ask my friend this. if this all worked so well in 1996, this is news to most americans but if did it, why did your side bring a substitute to the floor in 2009 to try to to do more? >> i asked that question too. in 1996 we did just those things that were federal responsibilities. >> did they work? >> what the obama package does is it completely pre-empts state law and takes away those opportunities. >> did it work? >> the federal provisions worked
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perfectly. >> if somebody has asthma or diabetes or breast cancer can they get insurance in this country at the same price as someone without it can? can they do that? >> any erisa plan in the country. >> can you walk into. >> but you can't forget it. >> you're saying if they're already insured. >> no, i'm saying that we have two kinds of regulators, state and federal i want to left the state regulatory questions to the state regulators, but if you're in a federally regulated plan. >> let me ask you a hardball question mitt romney believes in an individual mandate. do you believe in an individual mandate at the state level? >> i believe -- >> no. do you believe they were right in massachusetts to require young people that are healthy to buy insurance to help cover the costs of -- >> i don't believe in any mandate at all but i respect the right of the states to make those decisions one by one.
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when the federal goismd government failed, we all failed. >> i just want to ask my friend from georgia are there death panels in this bill? >> if what you're asking does this bill lead to rationed care somebody has to make these tough decisions. >> i do because -- >> why do you want to go down the rhetoric past? >> why don't you just say no. mama grizzly says death panels, is she right? >> she's right, care will be rationed. >> they will come around and tell you you're going to die -- >> is there a federal agency? >> this is a real easy one. >> congressman there's a larger question here. don't ask members of the republican party to question the wisdom of sarah palin. >> it's not that -- why can't we talk about policies instead of all the silly labels. >> she's running for president. >> how much time did we spend debating the name of this bill? >> you called it a job-killing bill.
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>> what about the substance? >> wouldn't we be better as a nation -- >> i didn't get an answer to my policy question. is there a federal agency in this law that has the power to deny someone care who is ill? is there such an agency? >> rob, my reading of the bill is you actually expand the entitlement -- >> that's nice. >> that it's a completely unlimited entitlement. we spend dollars we don't have. >> for further debate watch c-span. there's more of it going on the floor right now. >> it's a long way of saying no. >> thanks, guys. it's been interesting. >> take care. a lively debate. up next ron reagan has written a new book about his father president reagan who would be 100 years old this year. it's making a lot of noise. we'll have him to debut the book. this is "hardball" only on msnbc. no other medicine, not even advil pm, is more effective for pain and sleeplessness. motrin pm.
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"i" in front of it. back to "hardball." we're back. the year 2011 marks the 100th birthday of ronald reagan. his son has a new book out causing a lot of stir, "father at 100, a memoir." ron great to have you on. you're a great guy. i'm not going ask you 50 different questions. i'm going to give you a couple of minutes here. we don't know ronald reagan. i met him a few times. the american people like millions of other people saw him on tv, watched him be on tv. watched him on ge theater. what don't we know about him that we should have known? >> you probably don't know what solitary character he was. one of the paradoxes is this consummate public man was actually a very private,
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solitary kind of guy, and that solitude he cultivated from his earliest childhood as an undersized little boy. picked on by bullies. picked last for games, and spent a lot of time by himself building internally his own story, his own narrative. he was a storyteller, and his opus was himself. >> how did he get through those years of hell in hollywood, rejection after rejection like all movie stars do? i heard stories he had a very tough career in the early '50s almost at the top of the business didn't quite make the top got very close then made it in television but in that period he had to survive a bad first marriage. how did he get -- what made ronald reagan keep steaming ahead when times really were lousy in? >> that solitary man, that 10% that i call him metaphorically in the book is where his ambition lay. he was not a guy who thought public ambition was something that was worthwhile. he didn't want to come off as
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somebody who was ambitious for yourself. of course he had ambition. he couldn't be a movie star or president of the united states if it wasn't there. he kept i want very closely held. it burned. it burned in him. it was able to see him through. >> is that how he got back after he got knocked down by jerry ford, when everybody thought -- here's a guy pushing 70. he's finished. he's got all his hair. he's old. he possibly can't come back. he came back and beat jimmy carter. i know, i was working for carter. he beat our brains in. you were talking about that. what do you call that? >> it's confidence. he was always very confident in himself. i never saw my father walk into a room and kowtow to anybody. by the same token i never saw him walk into a room and talk down to anybody. he treated everybody like he wanted to be treated. he just gave -- >> so he didn't kiss up and kick down like some in our business do. >> no, never. >> now to the down side.
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you write in the book how he was like an inverse iceberg. you saw most of him. what do you mean by that? >> 90% of him the public man was above water, if you will, the 10% of him, the solitary man where he harbored his ambition and private feelings that was below the water. it was tough to see that even when you knew him very well. even his wife, even my mother, you know, would admit that she didn't always get to that last 10%. >> there was anybody at night that he could call-up when he was feeling bad? >> no. my mother his wife. in his earlier life he had friends, you know, actors and things that he associated with. by the end of hi life, certainly by the presidency, she was really his best friend always and she was the one whose advice he counted on. >> you wrote in the book -- i
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think it's beautifully written. you write in the book -- maybe your mom is disconcerted by it. let me ask you about this. is it a different kind of strange, a whole new kind of strange. look, that is something people who are right-wingers, far to the right which isn't hard to be are wondering what do you mean by that a new kind of strange? >> when you say the word "strange" people go to the kind of dark, creepy side. it was the opposite of that. he was too good in a way. like he was from another planet. i never heard him -- you rarely heard him swear. usually telling a joke. i never hear him gossip about anybody. who doesn't gossip about people at work or whatever? not him. he just wouldn't do it. >> what was going on in the room when he was alone? what was ronald reagan like when he was in the room alone? >> and he was guy who, i think, was creating his narrative constantly, his own personal narrative. he was creating particularly in his younger life the template
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for who he would become from an early age and his mother had a lot to do with this. she was his biggest fan and earliest fan. he was cut out for big things. kobe a hero. he wanted to be a hero. not just to be seen as a hero but to actually be a hero. >> when did you personally recognize -- we all saw a problem in that first debate with mondale in '84. "wall street journal" front page talked about it. did you see something besides what we all saw in terms of failure? >> not in that debate. i saw what everybody else was watching. >> no, at home. >> no. >> did you see something at home that we didn't see in television or public life? >> i must have because i know him much better than everybody else. while i say while he was president i would occasionally get shivers of concern that maybe something is not quite right. might be slightly under the weather. i didn't know what this was. i mean, by that time he was approaching his mid-70s. getting older.
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he had been shot and nearly killed at that point. that would take a little wind out of your sails. >> do you think he was incapacitated -- >> no. >> do you think he was capable of being a solid president? >> sure. i say that in the book. i didn't see anything that indicated dementia or anything. it was just these little things. >> last word. aren't you proud of the fact that he helped end the cold war. aren't you proud of the fact he recognized mikhail gorbachev as a different kind of communist? >> yes, absolutely. >> that was the motivating impulse behind his later years, get rid of nuclear weapons. >> that ain't a bad legacy. >> not bad at all. >> i think everybody should read this book because it's so well written and you know more than anybody, any reagan nut who is pro reagan should read this book. >> i think you'll enjoy it. >> even if you don't like reagan, you'll appreciate it. thank you. good luck. say hello to your mom.
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sergeant shriver died this afternoon. he died of alzheimer's disease. the same thing that killed my mother. in a way sarge shriver was also a pertive mind so powerfully that he directed my life. sarge shriver started the peace corps. jack kennedy cle declared eight as a chance for well-rounded men and women to go overseas to do economic good. let people know about america and come back to let us know about them. i spent two years in africa and would like to think i did a
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